Tapping Into Freedom: Overcoming Stress and Trauma with EFT

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Welcome listeners.

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I am really excited as always

to have you here today.

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I get to meet someone new.

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So we're going to meet Sonia Petrowski.

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Did I say that right?

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I was practicing before she got on.

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Yeah.

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Petruska.

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I said it right.

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Two times before we got on.

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And then I just said it

wrong, but welcome Sonia.

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And here's the deal listeners.

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Sonia is, um, a coach and she's certified

in EFT, which is, I believe, emotional

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freedom technique and all my listeners

know how much I am into growing and

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changing and it's whether you're going

through something difficult, you know,

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a Bring about the need for a change.

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But I even think if you're not, it's good.

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You know, if you're not going through

a big life transition, there's

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lots of things that we hold on to.

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There's lots of women in this

world who have anxiety and issues.

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And I can't believe I haven't

learned about EFT before.

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So I'm really excited because I'm

always looking for tools to help me.

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I've been doing some NLP.

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I do a lot of mindset work.

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So Sonia, this is, The first time I've

had someone on talking about this.

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And so listeners, we are going to get

some really good tools to help us.

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deal with, I think our

emotions a little bit better.

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So, but I'll let Sonia talk more

about that before we delve in.

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I love to get to know my guests

and I don't know you, Sonia.

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So fill us in on what

led you to do this work.

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Well, first of all, thank

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Sonia: you for having me, Lisa.

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This is so kind of you and I'm

really excited to be the one to be

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able to introduce you to EFT, um,

because it's, um, an amazing tool.

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So I feel like, um, emotional

freedom techniques found me

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versus the other way around.

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And, um, what I mean is, uh, when

it came into my life, I was in

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a place where I was, I just felt

like I was drowning in my life.

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The timing coincides with COVID, but,

um, it was grace greatly due to, uh, a

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failing marriage, fast track to divorce.

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So over the eight year period,

it was really rocky the

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entire time COVID happened.

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And the stay at home

orders were put in place.

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I was living in New York City at the time.

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And so it was a lot, you know, the,

the relationship was in flux, uh,

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job uncertainty, I had a lease that

was coming up in a couple of months.

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So I had to figure out, Oh my

gosh, where am I going to live?

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So all these stabilizing pillars

up in the air at the same time.

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And I was looking at my email and

I saw an email with the subject

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line tapping for overwhelm.

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And maybe one or two years prior to

that, I had a, an exposure we'll say to

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tapping EFT, but I wasn't ready for it

because I, I was like, this is weird.

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I don't get it.

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What is this lady doing?

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But of course, fast forward in my time of

desperation, I am ready to try anything.

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So I start to do these tap along videos.

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And I didn't have the language

to articulate what exactly was

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happening, but I knew I felt different

while I was doing the tapping.

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So that was enough to pique my interest,

my curiosity to continue the practice.

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And then little by little, I

started thinking like, wait a

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second, let me pump the brakes.

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Is this real?

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Is there science behind this?

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Is it, you know, what's going on?

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Um, So I spent a few days befriending

Google scholar, did a lot of reading and

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I was really satisfied with my findings.

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And so after that, honestly,

it was like the universe was

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saying, Oh, okay, you're serious.

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You're interested.

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Here you go.

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And things just fell into place.

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So I organically came across an intensive

weekend training just for basic skills,

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which led me to a certification program.

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At which time I started working with

my own coach and my life did a 180.

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And, um, it really, I have

to say it was my lifeline.

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It really felt like a life raft

in terms of everything I was

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trying to navigate at that time.

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And so I'm so grateful and just delighted

to be where I am now having the skills

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and the knowledge to be able to pay

it forward in a manner of speaking.

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Um, because like you said earlier,

Lisa, this is a tool that.

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Yeah, it's great in times of high

stress and life transition, but even

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just in every day, being able to have

something fast, easy and effective

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to regulate your emotions so that,

you know, you can just feel better

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in your body and going through life.

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Lesa Koski: Yeah.

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Okay.

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I love that.

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And I just, things were popping into my

head as you were introducing yourself.

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So it's so good to get to know you.

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And I want to let you know, I did

know a lady years ago who talked

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about tapping and she was the

sweetest gal and she couldn't fly.

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And she told me that she had done

tapping techniques and she kind

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of talked about it a little bit.

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I can't remember, but she would get

on the plane and she would do it.

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And she was able to

fly without medication.

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So I do like, I have a

little bit of idea of it.

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And Sonia, I kind of feel like maybe

some of my coaching has touched on it.

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And not talked about it.

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You know, like if you're getting

into kind of feeling your body or

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holding your heart to kind of keep

you stable when you're maybe hearing

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something that can trigger you.

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So I think this is just going to add

to everybody's lives to hear about it.

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And then I can't help the Lisa

who always wants to know like the

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science and, you know, grow from it.

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What, what is the science behind it?

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Behind it.

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And is it kind of that where you tap to

kind of get yourself in a better place?

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Is that what it is?

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Sonia: Uh, sort of . Okay.

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, thank you for for asking though.

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I, I get super excited

to explain it to people.

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So, um.

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I'm glad that you're excited too.

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So the way that it works and, and

actually before I get into that, um, just

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mentioning how you're talking about, you

know, like if you, if you hold your heart

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or, or whatever it is, just having that

physical contact, that somatic experience.

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Yes.

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That's 100 percent part of it.

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So I love

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Lesa Koski: it.

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I love it.

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I mean, and that's what I do

in really difficult divorce.

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mediations where one person's

really freaking out, you know,

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it's just like feel, you know,

feel your fingers rubbing together.

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I have those little techniques.

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So, okay.

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Good to know.

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Good to know.

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Yeah, for sure.

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It's about

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Sonia: bringing your head and your body

together because otherwise we're just

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operating from in here and that oftentimes

like helps us get into the issue and

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we're trying to solve it from the same

place and that doesn't actually work.

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So, with um, with tapping, what we're

doing is it's a combination of Eastern

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energy medicine, Chinese energy

medicine fused with aspects of medicine.

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of Western therapy like talk therapy,

CBT and exposure therapy in some cases.

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And so in a tapping

session, we'll just use it.

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Please.

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Yes.

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Go ahead.

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Lesa Koski: I have a question.

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What is CBT?

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Sonia: Oh, uh, cognitive

behavioral therapy.

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Lesa Koski: Okay.

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Sorry.

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Go ahead.

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Sonia: No, please.

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And please interact at any time.

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I love questions.

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Um, so our, our easy example will be,

let's pretend you have a fear of spiders.

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Okay, so, mm-hmm . The first thing I'm

gonna have you do is think about this fear

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of spiders because, uh, as contrary as

it might seem, we want to, uh, activate

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that stress response in your body.

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And so in the brain there's a small

almond shake, um, section called

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the amygdala, and this serves

as our stress command center.

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And so whether or not a spider is

really there, it doesn't know that

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the brain doesn't know it's real.

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So immediately when it receives

those chemical impulses that let

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it know that there's a spider, it

starts to send the stress signals out

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to the body, release the hormones,

get ready to fight or flight.

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And so we have our message number one

coming into the brain of danger, right?

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There's a spider beyond alert.

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Then we start tapping on different

acupressure points on the head and upper

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torso and this Communicates with the

brain and with the nervous system and

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the nervous system is telling the brain.

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Hey, actually it's okay It's okay.

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You're you're safe There's maybe

there's a spider, but you're not gonna

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die And so this brings us message

number two, so the brain has two

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messages at once that are not aligned.

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So in order to reconcile these

conflicting messages, there's a new

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neural pathway, new wiring created

for this second message of safety.

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And so the idea is if we continue to tap

on this fear of spiders and maybe anything

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else that comes up that's related, if

we're, um, thorough and successful with

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this quote unquote treatment, then that

means that this new neural pathway will

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become stronger and more dominant and

therefore override the previous pathway

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of fear or danger, meaning that the

next time you encounter a spider, you're

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not going to have that same like fear

response, or it's not going to throw you

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off course like it may all otherwise do.

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It will remain neutral and

you can go about your day

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as if nothing even happened.

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Lesa Koski: Okay, I love this and

I'm going to bring it into my life

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so that I can see if I've learned and

hopefully it'll help the, the listeners.

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Okay.

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I am terrified of getting

my blood pressure taken.

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I know it's stupid and

it goes way super high.

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Like I'll, now I take it at home and I go

in and we giggle at like how good it is

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at home and how high it is when I go in.

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So at least we're getting there,

or at least we're getting there.

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But so if I.

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can sit.

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So you sit and you think about going

in to get your blood pressure taken

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at the clinic, the hospital, wherever.

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Is this correct?

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So I'm sitting here and I'm thinking it

and I'm starting to feel anxious about it.

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Is

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Sonia: that,

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Lesa Koski: is that what I said?

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Okay.

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So then that anxiety comes.

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And then I start and there's

probably certain points.

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I'm just like, okay, right.

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So

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Sonia: do you do you want to

go through this like together?

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Sure.

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I'd love

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Lesa Koski: to.

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Okay,

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Sonia: cool.

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Okay, so

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So what okay, you said

you feeling it anxious.

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Is that is there anything else

coming up or it's it's mostly

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anxiety that you're noticing

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Lesa Koski: It's, it's tied with

fear, like fear that there's

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something wrong with me, probably.

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Sonia: Okay, okay.

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So let me ask you this then.

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On a scale, I'm going to ask you, uh,

we're going to split this into two things.

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So, um, focus on the fear first, right?

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So on a scale of 0 is it doesn't

bother, 10 is the worst thing ever.

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Between 0 and 10, uh, in this

moment, when you think about getting

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your blood pressure taken, how

strong does the fear feel to you?

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Lesa Koski: Between a 7

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Sonia: Okay, perfect.

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We can say 7.

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5 if you are okay with half numbers.

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Yeah.

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Okay, and then, um, same, same

question with the anxiety.

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Zero to 10, how intense does that

feel if you tune into it now?

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Lesa Koski: Okay, that's

a little bit lower.

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Maybe a I think it's more fear.

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Sonia: Okay, so I don't like that.

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Yep.

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And, and Lisa, do you feel

this anywhere in your body?

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Does the fear, do you notice

any sensations anywhere?

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Lesa Koski: Right.

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I hear fear just like, um,

kind of hot, kind of fast.

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Sonia: Okay.

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So would you, uh, identify that

as your solar plexus or stomach?

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What, what language would you use?

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Well, I think

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Lesa Koski: solar plexus.

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Sonia: Okay.

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That's what I

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Lesa Koski: would say too.

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Sonia: Okay.

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So, um, are there any specific parts of

this, um, activity of this experience

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of getting your blood pressure taken

that, um, that really stand out in

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your mind when you think about it?

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Lesa Koski: Okay.

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So ask the question, are there any?

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So like I can have, I have memories of,

of when it first happened and I know that

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I grew up Um, and I watched my grandpa

that I love dearly die young of a stroke.

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And I know that there's a family

history with high blood pressure.

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And, um, I watched my other grandpa

go through like the first open heart

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surgery, I think in the country.

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I mean, it was a long time ago.

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And so I think, and I think I just

have always, if my listeners know,

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had have had a fear, which has been.

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Has hit the wall lately and has

been healing from, um, a fear of

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death, right, and of being sick.

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And so I do remember being afraid kind

of always of getting my blood pressure.

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But I remember one time in

college, I went in and the

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nurse was like, That's terrible.

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You know, and she like

freaked out about it.

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And then ever since then it's never

been good, but I do may also have legit

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high blood pressure too, you know, I do.

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Um, and I'm on medication for it.

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Um, the good news is, is

that I can take it at home.

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And so.

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That helps us know really where it

is and and I watch it but I would

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really like to Not feel because I

don't want to hate going, you know,

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and I tell like you go to the dentist

They want to take your blood pressure.

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I'm like, you're not

taking my blood pressure.

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I like to come in here

So you're not taking it

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Sonia: Uh huh.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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That makes sense.

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Okay, so, um Let's if you're if you're

open, we can I am just one round of

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tapping together and I'll kind of

tell you the points as we go that way.

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Maybe it will save time.

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Maybe not.

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We'll find out.

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Okay, we'll we'll start to

tap on the side of the hand.

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So it doesn't matter which hand you use.

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Um, you can switch midway if you want,

but it's between the pinky and your

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wrist, just the fleshy part there.

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And it's like a call and repeat.

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So I'll say a phrase and I'll

pause for you to repeat it.

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We'll do this three times

before we move, okay?

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Lesa Koski: Okay.

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Sonia: All right.

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So even though I feel this

fear in my solar plexus,

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Lesa Koski: even though I feel this fear

in my solar plexus, Of having my blood

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Sonia: pressure taken.

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Lesa Koski: Of having

my blood pressure taken.

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Sonia: I choose to completely

accept myself anyway.

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Lesa Koski: I choose to

completely accept myself anyway.

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Okay,

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Sonia: does that feel okay to say?

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Okay, great.

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So it feels really

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Lesa Koski: in line.

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Yeah, in line.

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Sonia: Perfect.

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All right.

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So even though I feel this

hot fear in my solar plexus.

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Lesa Koski: Even though I feel

this hot fear in my solar plexus.

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Sonia: Thinking about having

my blood pressure taken.

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Lesa Koski: Thinking about

having my blood pressure taken.

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Sonia: I choose to

acknowledge these feelings.

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Lesa Koski: I choose to

acknowledge these feelings.

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Sonia: And love and accept myself anyway.

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Lesa Koski: And love and

accept myself anyway.

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Sonia: Okay, excellent.

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One more time here.

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Even though I feel this fear.

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Lesa Koski: Even though I feel this fear.

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Sonia: Every time I think

of taking my blood pressure.

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Lesa Koski: Every time I think

of taking my blood pressure.

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Sonia: And I feel it, um, as a

hot sensation in my solar plexus.

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Lesa Koski: And I feel it as a

hot sensation in my solar plexus.

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Sonia: I'm choosing to

deeply and completely.

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Lesa Koski: I'm choosing

to deeply and completely

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Sonia: love, honor and accept myself.

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Lesa Koski: Love, honor,

and accept myself.

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Sonia: And all of my feelings.

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Lesa Koski: And all of my feelings.

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Sonia: I know that I am safe.

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Lesa Koski: I know that I am safe.

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Sonia: All right.

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So now we're going to move

to the top of the head.

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So you can use one hand or two.

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I'll use one just so I'm not

like covering up my whole face.

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Okay.

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All right.

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And so again, you'll repeat after me.

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Um, this fear in my solar plexus,

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Lesa Koski: this fear in my solar plexus.

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Sonia: Okay.

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Moving to the top of an eyebrow.

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So right where the hair meets

where your nose and bridge meet.

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Perfect.

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This fear in my body,

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Lesa Koski: this fear in my body.

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Sonia: All right.

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Moving to the side of the

eye, right by the corner.

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All this fear in my solar plexus.

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Lesa Koski: All this

fear in my solar plexus.

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Sonia: Okay.

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Tapping just below the eye

on your cheekbone there.

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Um, this fear of having

my blood pressure taken.

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Lesa Koski: This fear of

having my blood pressure taken.

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Sonia: And tapping just under the nose.

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This fear of, um, being sick.

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Lesa Koski: This fear of being sick.

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Sonia: Under the mouth.

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Right in your chin crease.

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Up a little bit.

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There you go.

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And this fear of, um,

getting a bad reading.

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Lesa Koski: This fear of

getting a bad reading.

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Sonia: Okay.

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And then we'll tap just

under your collarbones.

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So if you find like the knobby start, then

we'll go out and down about half an inch.

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And we'll just tap there.

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This one's really forgiving.

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So if you move around, that's okay.

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Um, I'm acknowledging all

this fear in my body now.

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Lesa Koski: I'm acknowledging

all this fear in my body now.

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Sonia: Okay.

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And the last one, um, I don't think

you'll be able to see it on camera.

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So we may just skip the last one.

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It's under the arm, uh, under your armpit.

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So it's about four inches under.

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So like that.

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Like here?

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It's like here.

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Yep.

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Perfect.

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Alright.

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So, um, I'm, uh, allowing all this stress.

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Lesa Koski: I'm allowing all this stress.

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Sonia: To start moving through me now.

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Lesa Koski: To start

moving through me now.

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Sonia: Okay.

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And then the last thing I

want you to do is to tap the

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insides of your wrists together.

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Lesa Koski: Okay?

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Sonia: And I choose to know

that I am safe and healthy.

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Lesa Koski: I choose to know

that I am safe and healthy.

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Okay?

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Sonia: Okay, so I want you to

go ahead and release your arms.

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If you feel like you need to take a

wiggle, then go ahead and do that.

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And then when you're ready,

take a nice easy breath.

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So breathing in through the

nose and then blowing it out

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through your mouth like a straw.

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And then the next step is just to tune

in and notice how you're feeling in

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your body, what thoughts are coming up.

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And, um, depending on the issue,

generally, I'm going to say, usually

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you need more than one round of tapping.

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However, um, I want to pause

here and just, uh, see if there's

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anything that you notice or anything

that you feel called to share.

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Lesa Koski: Well, I feel like Sonia,

I feel like, um, I feel like I just

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needed this one, but I don't know.

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Right.

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And I feel like because of all the work

that I've been doing, that I was very

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ready for it, and this is so weird.

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Sonia, the first one that you had me do.

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Yeah, already brought me a sense of

calm and then I had to keep kind of,

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yeah, so I kind of kept fighting to

remember what that felt feels like.

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You know what I mean?

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When I'm nervous about it and I believe

everything you're saying it is true.

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: 00:21:08

You know, the words that you're

speaking, like I do accept that.

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I really do.

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And so, um, I don't know.

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It'll be, I'm curious.

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Yes.

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And so, so now I, the next time

I go in and get my blood pressure

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taken, I'll have an idea, right?

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I'll know, or do I practice

this a couple more times?

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Sonia: So it's, uh, honestly, I

would, it's kind of, uh, up to you.

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So depending on how you're feeling, right?

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So if right now, like you said,

like you're feeling good about it,

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One, that's something to celebrate.

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Like, make sure you give yourself a pat

on the back for that because that's huge.

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Um, and then also.

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Just check in with yourself.

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So the next time that, you know,

you'll have an appointment to go in

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and you know, you're going to have

your blood pressure, just checking

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in, like, how am I feeling about this?

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If you're feeling

anxious, do some tapping.

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And I mean, honestly, like this,

you can take anywhere, right?

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: 00:22:08

If you don't feel, uh, particularly

embarrassed, you can do it right

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there in the exam room and, you

know, it's just, you know, It's free.

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Once you learn it, it's yours forever.

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: 00:22:18

So it's just, it's very powerful.

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Lesa Koski: And I love that.

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It's kind of like you use a

coach, you learn how to do it.

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: 00:22:26

You deal with your, your areas

and then you can carry, you

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don't have to keep going back.

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: 00:22:31

It's not like you have to do a

subscription and always keep coming

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: 00:22:35

back forever and ever you learn it.

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: 00:22:37

And that's, I love that.

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: 00:22:38

I love that piece of it.

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: 00:22:40

Um, now here's my question.

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: 00:22:43

So the tapping that you led me

through, Is that for any like

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unwanted feeling that I have?

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: 00:22:51

Or was that where you focused in on?

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: 00:22:55

Where I feel it, what it's

about, you know what I mean?

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: 00:23:00

Like, do you need an expert

to help you figure that out?

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: 00:23:04

Or is it always going to be the same?

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: 00:23:05

Like if I go, Oh my gosh, I agreed to,

um, downhill ski and cross country skis.

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: 00:23:12

Oh man, that is scary.

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: 00:23:14

Downhill skis fine, but cross

country skis feel uncontrollable.

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: 00:23:20

So like, if you don't want to get scared

about that, can you do tapping about that?

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: 00:23:23

Yeah, absolutely.

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: 00:23:24

And can I do it the same way?

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: 00:23:26

Sonia: Yes.

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: 00:23:27

So I'm glad that you asked that,

um, because there's, there's two

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: 00:23:31

main ways that we can use tapping

or that it's generally used for.

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: 00:23:35

So one would be more along the lines of

emotional first aid and self-soothing.

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: 00:23:40

So kind of exactly like

what we were doing, right?

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: 00:23:42

It's a smaller issue and, um, and you feel

like, okay, I, I can do this on my own.

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: 00:23:48

Like I don't necessarily need someone to

tell me where I'm feeling this because.

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: 00:23:52

I know and you're the expert on you where

you would want to get assistance from a

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: 00:23:59

practitioner is for the deeper issues.

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: 00:24:02

And this would be the second way that

we use it is for the deeper healing

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: 00:24:05

work when it comes to trauma, right?

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: 00:24:08

And that doesn't mean it

has to be big T trauma.

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: 00:24:11

The truth is, as we go through

life, adults going through life.

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: 00:24:16

We have a backpack.

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: 00:24:17

It's like a little trauma pack.

473

: 00:24:18

And every time something happens, we put

another thing, another brick in the bag.

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: 00:24:23

And so it may not be as individual

components that you feel like, Oh my

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: 00:24:28

gosh, like this is really weighing on me.

476

: 00:24:30

But as a collection,

it makes a difference.

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: 00:24:33

And so a lot of things are rooted back

to childhood, in which case that's very

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: 00:24:39

beneficial to have someone who knows

how to navigate that and help you trace

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: 00:24:44

the thoughts that seem very random

and bring them back to the root cause.

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: 00:24:49

And the main thing that we do with

EFT is we're working to get slowly

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: 00:24:55

and gently to the root issue.

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: 00:24:57

right?

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: 00:24:58

And so it may, the are kind of trapped

in ou be, they may have been th time.

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: 00:25:07

So there's a lot of

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: 00:25:12

Um, I would just, um, I guess, caution

trying to dig into this solo without

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: 00:25:17

having any sort of support or assistance

just because it brings up a lot and if

487

: 00:25:22

you get emotionally flooded, it can lead

to shut down or, um, kind of like an

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: 00:25:27

emotional or freeze, functional freeze

where you're like, You're really limited

489

: 00:25:31

in, in how you're able to navigate the

world and what you're able to experience.

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: 00:25:35

So, um, having professional

support to get through that.

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: 00:25:38

And then, like you said, once we work

through that and you have the skills,

492

: 00:25:42

you feel confident to do it on your own,

then by all means, do it on your own.

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: 00:25:46

And then if something comes up later

on that you are feeling like, Oh,

494

: 00:25:50

I don't know what to do with this.

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: 00:25:52

Then come back.

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: 00:25:53

We'll work through it.

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: 00:25:54

And then you'll be on your way again.

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: 00:25:56

Lesa Koski: Mm hmm.

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: 00:25:57

Okay.

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: 00:25:57

So I love, um, What you're saying

and it, it leads me back to kind

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: 00:26:03

of understanding our core wounds.

502

: 00:26:05

And I've been talking about that

on this podcast that can really

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: 00:26:08

help you understand things.

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: 00:26:10

And I also want to say this was

really extremely helpful for me.

505

: 00:26:15

And this isn't the hardest thing

I've ever gone through, right?

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: 00:26:18

This is one of those.

507

: 00:26:19

Quirky little things that I think I have

gotten to accept like whatever, you know,

508

: 00:26:25

here's a lady who's be prepared I have to

tell everyone it's gonna be really bad,

509

: 00:26:30

you know, but it's not it's not like going

through bad diagnosis or write a death

510

: 00:26:38

of a loved one and so in those moments

I don't think that it would have been as

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: 00:26:44

easy, even if I'm ready and open, that's

the point where I think, and that's like

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: 00:26:50

a divorce or whatever is really, or even

if it does, if it's something, I mean, I

513

: 00:26:55

think your kid going off to college could

do it to you, you know, whatever it is.

514

: 00:27:00

I don't want to minimize it because

it, that blood pressure thing

515

: 00:27:03

could be a big deal for someone.

516

: 00:27:05

And I think years ago it would

have been a bigger deal for me.

517

: 00:27:08

You know, as I mature things change,

but I, I want it to do it because

518

: 00:27:13

I always, so I can report back and

Sonia, I almost feel like I cannot

519

: 00:27:17

believe the time has gone so fast.

520

: 00:27:20

Like we have to, we're almost to the

end and I feel like there could be more.

521

: 00:27:24

I feel like I want to have you back on

maybe in a month because I think I am

522

: 00:27:30

going to, or maybe two months because then

I'll I think I have a doctor's appointment

523

: 00:27:36

and I want to go see what happens.

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: 00:27:39

I'm curious too.

525

: 00:27:41

I know.

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: 00:27:41

And so I want to have you back on to talk

about that, but I just want to say, I so

527

: 00:27:46

appreciate you coming on the podcast and

I know I threw it out at you and I said,

528

: 00:27:51

yeah, I don't really like to talk before.

529

: 00:27:53

I just like to get to know you on the

podcast because that's kind of what it's

530

: 00:27:56

about, but I'm so appreciative to you and

all my guests are the most amazing people

531

: 00:28:03

who have been through something difficult

and learned how they're like overcomers.

532

: 00:28:08

Learned how to overcome it and now you're

sharing it with the world and that's

533

: 00:28:13

amazing and I Totally am in alignment

with this EFT and how it's a tool that

534

: 00:28:21

we can use To help us live better lives,

you know, and I think I've I'm a I'm a

535

: 00:28:27

Christian God person and I know that he is

my first and foremost and then he gives us

536

: 00:28:33

these tools He gives us certain medicines.

537

: 00:28:35

I don't love medicine, but

you know, sometimes they're

538

: 00:28:38

important and he gives us tools.

539

: 00:28:40

And so, um, I'm so thankful that

you took the time to be here.

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: 00:28:45

Sonia: You're welcome.

541

: 00:28:46

I appreciate you having me on and it

was it was a lot of fun, and I would

542

: 00:28:50

love to come back That sounds amazing.

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: 00:28:52

Lesa Koski: Thank you.

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: 00:28:52

I think we're gonna yeah, I think

we're gonna get I'll send you that link

545

: 00:28:55

And we'll get it scheduled like maybe

beginning of March so listeners perfect

546

: 00:28:59

She'll be back so we can talk and then

I want to delve a little bit a little

547

: 00:29:04

bit more into How it works, maybe And

then, um, you know, maybe we can talk a

548

: 00:29:10

little bit more about trauma, you know,

big traumas and how it works with that.

549

: 00:29:15

So sounds great.

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: 00:29:16

Come in the future.

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: 00:29:17

All right, Sonia.

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: 00:29:18

Thank you so much for being here.

553

: 00:29:20

Sonia: Thanks Lisa.

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: 00:29:21

It was great.