Conquering Anxiety: The Power of Tapping with Sonia
Overcoming Fears and Embracing Emotional Freedom with EFT
In this episode, the host welcomes back Sonia Petruska, an expert in Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT). They discuss the effectiveness of tapping to manage long-standing fears, specifically focusing on the host's fear of getting her blood pressure taken. Sonia elaborates on the process of recognizing and voicing emotions, how these emotions can be physically felt in the body, and the importance of addressing the root cause to achieve emotional freedom. They also touch upon the neurological basis of tapping and how it helps rewire the brain’s response to stress. Sonia also introduces her upcoming workshop aimed at helping online event hosts manage disruptions from Zoom trolls and provides insights into handling unexpected challenges calmly. The episode concludes with a teaser for an upcoming discussion on in-the-moment coping strategies.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:17 Revisiting Tapping with Sonia
01:05 Blood Pressure Anxiety
02:51 Understanding Emotions and Tapping
07:20 Physical Manifestations of Emotions
13:28 Deep Dive into Tapping Techniques
26:54 Upcoming Workshop and Conclusion
https://taptoshinewellness.com/
Sonia Pietruszka is an accredited, certified EFT Tapping & Energy Makeover Coach and the owner of Tap to Shine Wellness. Working primarily with women, she helps clients navigating the emotional landscape life change, such as divorce, go from lost and stuck in survival mode to confident, hopeful, and excited about their future. Sonia believes that every person brings something special to the world. That’s why she strives to provide clients with the tools, support, and guidance to shine bright no matter what life brings them. In her down time, Sonia enjoys reading, bike rides along the Chicago lakefront, spending time in nature, and experimenting in the kitchen.
Transcript
Welcome listeners.
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:I'm really excited that you're
here and you're going to be happy
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:to know that Sonia Petruska.
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:Is back.
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:And if you remember, she joined
us a little over a month ago and.
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:help me with some tapping,
which was really new to me.,
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:if you want to go back and listen, and I'm
going to go over the steps again, since
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:I have Sonya here, but we wanted to see
how Lisa did after that tapping practice.
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:What my fear was, was getting
my blood pressure taken, which
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:has been a fear for years.
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:It doesn't make any sense.
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:I know that it's stupid.
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:I, I've had my heart tested.
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:You know, I know my heart is fine.
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:And yet it's those neural pathways,
right, that we kind of talked about.
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:And so Sonia helped me by tapping,
and Sonia this is what, and I only
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:did it once, and I never went back
and listened to do the steps again.
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:Now I'm prepared to talk about them again.
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:Okay.
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:And when I went in to get my
blood pressure taken, it was high.
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:However, I was a little, I
was more accepting of it.
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:So interestingly enough, I, I walked
in and it was a male nurse and he
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:sat down and I said, okay, honey,
I just want you to know when I come
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:here, my blood pressure gets really
high and it's going to be okay.
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:I want you to know it's gonna be okay.
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:Don't get worried about it.
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:I'm like coaching him through it.
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:And it was, it was high,
but it's been higher.
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:Right.
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:And I didn't do any of the tabby
work and it, you know, it was.
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:You know how life can get busy, right?
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:, so I, today I took some time
and I went back over those
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:steps that you gave us, Sonia.
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:And I realized.
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:How grateful I am that I kind
of by having you on this podcast
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:had a free session with Sonia.
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:And it is really helpful.
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:And I think what I really like about
it is it's not something probably
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:that you're going to have to keep.
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:coming back for over and over again.
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:I mean, maybe as life goes on.
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:But I think if you could work with
Sonia for, you know, I don't know,
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:do you do our increments, Sonia?
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:Yeah, sessions are an hour, but
I like to, um, offer packages
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:because it's kind of like anything.
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:If we're comparing it to, you know,
traditional western therapy, you're not
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:gonna go from one session and that's it.
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:Right.
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:Make sure that whatever your issue of
concern is, we give it the time and
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:space it needs to work through it.
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:Sure.
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:Um, but which, which I understand because
as I said, I had my one session now I get
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:to have you back again to talk through it.
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:But I thought what was really
interesting as well, I was kind
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:of re listening to what she walked
me through with the tapping.
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:A big part of it is to
recognize what you're feeling.
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:So if there's something that
you're afraid of, like me with
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:my blood pressure, you had me.
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:talk about how that felt and I said
afraid, afraid something was going to
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:be wrong and you and this is what I do
when I coach people on their mindset.
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:You said, um, where is it?
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:So you're connecting
it to your body, right?
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:And so is this something that
we're always going to do?
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:Is this kind of a step in the process?
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:So say I'm a little bit afraid of
a horse that I have who is huge.
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:So I think about that horse because I
think I talked to you about this before.
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:And I, and I think about how I
feel and I really, really delve in.
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:And if anyone wants a feelings
wheel, it's in my resource page.
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:Just go grab it.
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:Cause get real specific.
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:And I think even like, is it hot or cold?
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:Is it because you used what I
told you as you walked me through.
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:The tapping.
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:Do you want to talk a little bit about how
that helps you heal through this process?
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:Getting, getting to know what
those feelings really are?
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:Yeah, of course.
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:When do I not want to talk about that?
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:Um, I want to rewind just a tiny bit
and um, And just mentioned briefly about
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:your, um, I guess the white coat syndrome
or I guess, yeah, um, the piece that you
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:mentioned about accepting that the number
was high, that in itself is huge because.
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:Ultimately, yes, it's about the emotions.
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:It's about accepting what's going on
for us and how it's feeling in that
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:moment, because the emotion will pass.
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:It's not going to stay with us
forever, but when we are resisting it,
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:there's that saying, what we resist.
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:So that holds true.
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:And, um, so when we're able to acknowledge
the emotions, if we want to imagine it as,
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:um, actually, um, the, the movies Inside
Out are a perfect example of this, right?
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:Like, think of your emotions
a little differently.
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:People or you know, who
live inside you, right?
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:Yes.
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:And they want to be acknowledged.
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:So when they're acting up, that is a sign.
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:They need some attention, they
need some acknowledgement.
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:And so when we do the tapping, yes,
we wanna voice what's coming up.
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:So for the example of, of, um,
fear or what, I'm sorry, what was
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:the one that you mentioned before?
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:Was it.
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:You
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:wanna talk about your horse?
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:Yeah.
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:Fear.
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:Oh, this horse that I have is just huge
and ginormous and big, and I get scared.
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:Okay, so if you're feeling scared,
yeah, we're gonna voice that if
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:there's something else going on.
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:So maybe you have this fear about
being around the giant horse.
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:Maybe there's some resistance
of even approaching.
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:There could be different emotions that
come up, and that's normal for one,
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:because as humans we're multifaceted.
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:We can have.
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:Different emotions at the same time
as part of the beauty of us as beings.
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:And so in that instance, we
would want to determine which of
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:these emotions feels the biggest.
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:If there is one that is
more, more prominent.
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:And then that's what we focus on first.
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:And like you said, um, finding out or
noticing where you feel it in your body.
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:is also really important because
again, the mind body connection.
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:Some people have a lot of trouble
feeling what's going on in
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:here because we stay up here.
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:That's where it's quote unquote
safe and more comfortable,
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:which again, totally normal.
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:But even if it's not the emotion per se,
maybe you're like, Oh, well, you know, my
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:shoulder has been kind of achy or tight
or stiff for like, I don't know, a month.
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:I don't think it's related,
but that's what I'm feeling.
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:That's fine.
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:Maybe it's related, maybe it's not,
but it's not going to hurt anything.
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:from including that because the
chances are there is a connection.
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:I love that.
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:So you're talking about
including physical pain as well.
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:I didn't know that.
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:Absolutely.
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:Because sometimes our emotions
do manifest physically.
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:Um, and I, when I say this, I
think of a client who, um, she
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:was going through a hardship.
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:And so When we were gathering the
information of kind of the language
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:we were going to use in our tapping
round, we got to the point of getting
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:curious about what she was feeling
physically, any sensations, and this
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:was a very vivid description, and
I think I will remember it forever.
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:She's like, it feels like there's
a pitchfork in my chest that
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:someone is raking up and down.
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:Oh my gosh.
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:Like, you know, I think it's, it's a very
good illustration, you know, what you're
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:feeling good, it can be anything, there
can be colors, there can be textures,
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:it's, you know, we're not restricted
here because if it's something that
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:comes up for you and your, your mind's
eye and your imagination, we can use it.
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:There's basically anything goes.
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:Yeah, well, and what I like to Sonya
is as I'm thinking about this and
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:about the blood pressure So I tend
to like kind of laugh it off, right?
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:But it does bug me like I want to go and
get a good reading I want to go and get
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:a real reading, you know I want it to
be like it is at home and I think that I
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:blow it off because they go Well, that's
a stupid feeling I don't accept it.
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:And I know there's more work to be
done there because I know you've talked
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:about and that's another reason why
it's good to work with someone really
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:digging down into what that core is.
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:That's that's causing
that I think would help.
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:I mean, that is the journey.
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:I am just on this journey
to get those neurons.
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:going, you know, new neuro pathways
because even though we know how dumb
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:it is and how it doesn't make any
sense, if it's something that we've
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:done over and over again and we don't
understand why it keeps happening.
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:And so, so if we were going to, so
I've done like core wounds work.
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:So if you were going to
work with me further.
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:on this blood pressure, what, what
would you be looking at in addition
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:to me doing the tapping and we can can
talk through, you know, how it what it
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:looked like when you did it with me.
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:Um, but what would you do in
addition to that to dive deeper?
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:Say this is our second session.
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:I'm coming back and I'm telling you
that I felt the acceptance of it.
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:Now what?
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:Yeah, so I mean, we would start
with what is present in that moment.
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:So like, yeah, you're
acknowledging the acceptance.
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:We both know, especially given
our dialogue so far, that's not
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:the only thing that's there.
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:So it's, it's you sharing, okay, this
is what else is coming up for me or what
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:else is present when I think about it.
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:And we, we just start with where you are.
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:Um, ideally, I mean, just like
thinking ahead, what I would be
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:curious about is maybe when was your
earliest memory of this happening?
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:Um, What was that situation?
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:And maybe, um, going into
that, seeing what comes up.
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:And it's a little bit hard for
me to kind of forecast how the
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:session will go, because I honestly
don't have any knowing that.
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:Right.
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:So it could be that, you know,
you have a memory that is.
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:To me completely unrelated, maybe even
to you, but there's a similar feeling
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:around it or there's, there's something
in honestly, even if it's not the exact
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:same emotion, there is some connection
because it's coming up for you, right?
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:And if that's the case, our
job is to follow that thread.
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:And see where it leads us, because
it's, it's really about being curious,
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:putting on our, our detective hats,
so to speak, and just allowing
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:whatever comes up to come up and be
curious and compassionate with it.
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:And that is how, that's how we do it.
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:Of course, there's different types of kind
of like exercises or techniques that I
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:may choose to use based on what comes up.
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:Um, but generally it's.
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:As you mentioned before, accepting what's
coming up and if that's, um, not coming as
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:easily as we'd like, then we address that.
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:You know, so it's, we may start
on one issue and have to kind of
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:pause and focus on a little bit of a
roadblock before we can continue down.
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:Right.
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:Which is normal.
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:Yep.
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:I love, I love that you said
follow that thread and in my mind
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:as you were talking about that I
kinda was, and you know, I always.
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:Thought the reason I had it was because
this nurse reacted so crazy, um, when I
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:was in college, like your blood pressure's
so high and she freaked out about it.
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:And then of course I freaked out.
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:But then I was thinking back, I remember
being terrified about it before that.
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:So it's not just that.
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:And so then I kind of.
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:As I and I won't spend all the time
talking about myself, but I think it's
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:I think it is a little bit of that.
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:Like, I love life, right?
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:And so on the flip side of
that is I'm afraid to die.
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:And I've you know, and I've already
I've already kind of looked at that
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:because I've been doing the work and
and I think that that would probably
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:be where the thread would start
to lead us if we were, I probably
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:should book some sessions with you.
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:But I think that's where it
would, would kind of end up going.
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:And so what I'm wondering, I want to
kind of review what you did with me.
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:Sure.
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:Walk me, walk me through maybe the why's.
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:So I just remember we started with,
you had me tap on the side of my hand.
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:Yes.
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:Between my pinky and my wrist.
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:Uh huh.
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:And I loved it because you took what I
told you about the feeling and that's
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:where the acceptance came in by what
you were, and you had me repeat it.
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:So, and I didn't have to really think,
you, you fed me the lines as I tapped.
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:And it was, it said, I have this feeling.
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:And that's where you really go deep
into explaining, you, you pick,
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:pick like it's in my solar plex, but
you could say it was hot or cold or
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:however you want it to describe it.
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:Um, and then when I blank, like
when I get my blood pressure taken,
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:when I see spiders, um, I choose
to completely accept and my, wait.
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:Oh, so I feel that feeling when I
see these things or when I get my
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:blood pressure taken and I choose
and making a choice to completely
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:accept and love myself anyway.
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:And then I am choosing to deeply love,
honor and accept myself and my feelings.
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:And I love that because that's what that
I did do one session that I that I did.
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:And doesn't that make life Easier,
more peaceful if you just accept it.
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:Not that it's all fixed and better,
but it's a step in the right direction.
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:And then I add it.
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:'cause you know, I'm,
I'm the Christian gal.
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:I know that I am safe and that
the God of the universe loves
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:me and calls me daughter.
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:That's great.
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:And you kind of, you had me do
that, repeat that three times.
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:Yeah.
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:Okay, tell me what does that
do kind of set in because
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:that was the first tab, right?
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:So that is what we call our
setup, our setup statement.
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:We do this three times and that's um,
kind of the, the format of EFT and
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:the way that I was trained through EFT
international is called gold standard EFT.
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:So anyone who has trained
through this organization.
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:knows to do it this way, whether or
not they do that in their own private
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:practices, you know, up to them.
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:Um, and so what that's doing and kind
of what you're alluding to here is we're
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:starting to kind of Set the prime prime
the brain for the new neural pathway.
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:And so the idea with these set up
statements is, as you explained very
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:well, we're stating, like, even though
I have this problem, and then we can, we
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:can articulate that however you want to.
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:So in the session with you last time,
we said these were the feelings.
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:This is when they came up.
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:And then we kind of bookend that with it.
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:Some sort of affirmation.
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:And so, the important thing with
these set of statements is that
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:we are voicing the negative thing.
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:The problem.
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:The icky thing that we don't
want to have to deal with.
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:And it's not because We want you to
feel uncomfortable, but we have to, and
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:I'm gonna sound like cheesy, but we,
again, we have to name it to tame it.
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:All those, they're real.
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:There's a reason they
exist because it's true.
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:And so by voicing these things, we're
removing that emotional charge around it.
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:And then as we're tapping through all
the points on our head and upper torso,
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:this is helping to deeper, more deeply
ingrain that new neural pathway to
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:support this idea that you are safe,
that you can be in the presence of the
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:nurse taking your vitals and be okay.
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:You know, and what I love, Sonia,
about what you're talking about,
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:uh, I don't know if I mentioned
this, but I do a little NLP work.
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:Okay.
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:And one thing that I do kind of as a
practice on my own, because I've heard
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:through Bruce Lipton, I don't know
who, if you know who he is, but he, he
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:gave a little hint to record yourself
and I have these affirmations that
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:I say, like, I don't, uh, my value
doesn't come from what other people's
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:think, what other people think of me.
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:So I have these things that I
repeat and as I'm falling asleep,
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:I hope that they'll like get a
little bit ingrained in my brain.
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:It's a little bit what this is, isn't it?
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:Except that we're, is it, or I
mean, I could be totally off, but I
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:thought of that as you were talking.
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:Yes and no, but there's, there's
one crucial piece that is different.
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:Okay.
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:So with.
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:EFT emotional freedom
techniques or tapping.
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:Eventually, we can get
to just the affirmatives.
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:Like, that's kind of the goal.
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:But the biggest benefit of using it
is to remove the emotional charge.
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:Like, the problem, what is
causing our symptoms or reactions.
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:So, whatever the root cause of You're
spiking blood pressure when you're
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:in the doctor's office if we go
through the Go through the motions.
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:We do the work with tapping to get
to that, you know initial Whatever
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:it was situation event memory that
is causing these This problem for
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:you throughout your later life.
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:The goal here is to
neutralize whatever happened.
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:Right?
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:Your memory of that.
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:The thing is, our brains don't
know if it's real or not.
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:So, by the fact that we're
still having that same response.
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:Or I guess I should say reaction
in this case, um, means that
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:we're being re triggered each time
we're in that similar situation.
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:And so the idea is that if we can go
back, identify the first time or like
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:the most impactful time that you had
that experience, and again, different
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:techniques will be used depending on
what's coming up, but we can ideally get
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:you to a place where you can imagine this.
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:a response.
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:Then we can d of trying to test
this an get to the real life test
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:a shift, what has changed since
we were able to neutralize that.
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:So I, I state this to kind of explain
a little bit clearly how, if we are
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:going directly to the affirmations of,
I just want to feel better now, like
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:I'm going to make myself think that
I'm okay when I go into the doctor's
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:office, even though my body doesn't
believe it, that's not going to work.
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:So it's like, We're trying to jump
over like a hurdle or there's,
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:there's a gap that we're trying to
jump over and we're not quite able
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:to clear it yet because there is.
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:There's something that needs
healing and so that's why I think
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:some people may have trouble with
Affirmations because there's a block.
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:There's a subconscious block Their
body doesn't their nervous system is
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:not in agreement with this belief no
matter how much they want to believe
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:it And consciously, yes, you can be
like, yeah, of course I'm healthy.
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:I'm gonna live till I'm 102.
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:Right?
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:But everything, all of us has to be on
board, in agreement, in alignment with it.
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:And so that's why, that's the beauty
of EFT, it, you can literally have
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:emotional freedom and the feeling of that.
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:I mean, it's freedom.
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:I just, every time I think of situations
where I've done, you know, tapping
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:on my own stuff and I know it works.
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:I know the science behind it, but each
time I'm always amazed because the
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:feeling you're just feel so much lighter.
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:So open and look, and just the burden
of whatever has been weighing is lifted.
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:And that, if you can give that to
yourself or gift it to yourself.
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:Why wouldn't you?
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:And I, and what you
said, follow the thread.
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:This takes work.
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:It does.
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:Right.
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:So it's not going to happen.
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:Cause as I'm sitting here too, I'm
like, I can't come up really with an
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:answer as to where this is coming from.
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:So for like my homework, where would
you have me, how would you have me?
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:figure this out?
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:Like where, like journaling, what
do I do to figure out what is the
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:real reason that this is happening?
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:Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:First, I'm really, really
excited by this question.
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:So, I mean, if you're, if,
yeah, if you're into journaling,
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:that's a great place to start.
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:And I would, um, suggest actually to
just take some time and think about,
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:um, Other times in your life, IE earlier
life if possible, where you've had where,
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:where you felt the same emotion before.
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:Right?
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:So it doesn't have to be even
remotely the same kind of situation.
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:Okay.
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:But where the emotion came up and.
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:A lot of things, not everything,
of course, but a lot of things are
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:rooted in childhood experiences.
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:And, again, because it, like, if
we were to talk about it right
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:now, it might just seem like, well,
that, how could that be related?
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:That is, they have nothing
to do with each other.
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:But the brain doesn't know that, so
a little bit of, and you probably
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:know this already, but a little
bit of the neuroscience behind it
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:is, Our brains, like memories, are
not like movie reels in our heads.
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:It's chemicals.
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:It's the release of chemicals connecting
to, to neuron receptors, right?
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:And so, when we have an emotion, it's just
chemicals being released in our brains.
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:That's why we can have a similar
experience, or we can have an experience
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:with a similar feeling, a similar
emotion, that is now linked in our brains.
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:Because of the, the chemical reaction.
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:And so it's the idea, and again,
like, I'm bringing in all the
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:cheesy phrases, but what, what,
uh, fires together, wires together.
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:Of course, that's more along, you
know, the science field, but that
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:is also true when we are kind of
focusing on these feelings that we
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:may designate as bad or uncomfortable.
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:When that is where our focus
is, those are activated.
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:And so again, it seems kind of
counterintuitive, but with the tapping,
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:yeah, we do focus on that, but because
of the way tapping works, because
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:it Is working to support our nervous
systems and turn down like physically
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that emotional charge to remove
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that in the presence of whatever
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is correct when you were talking about
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:it's a chemical thing in your brain And
I didn't know that you're teaching me
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:all of this What I thought about was I
think it's a feeling of out of control I
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:have no control to save like and that's
what it feels like when you go in I can't
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:control I can You know, I can't control My
weight kind of I can control How I breathe
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:I can control Some things, but I can't
control what that blood pressure cuff
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:And so now I need to go back to when was
the first memory of feeling that, right?
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cover the bases, like, think back as far
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couple of memories, because maybe, I mean,
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but sometimes we will start with whatever
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:So, you know, it's kind of either
or there and just giving a little
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stress yourself out about it.
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might be looking for and sometimes, you
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that's the case, other memories that again
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feeling, but if it's coming up in your
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:I'm going to do that.
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:Okay, Sonia, I've had you here.
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:Will you come back again?
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:I would love to!
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:Because I think this is so good and,
I mean, I just want to help people and
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:I feel like if they could, you're so,
you're so knowledgeable and I just,
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:I like working with you and I feel
like, You would be so great for my
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:listeners, and so I want you to say how
they can connect with you, and we're
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:gonna have that in the show notes, and
I'm gonna do a little newsletter on it.
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:But what I want to also know you had
mentioned you're doing something.
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:The week that this comes out?
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:What is that?
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:That you have a webinar?
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:I don't know.
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:Yes, I have.
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:I have a workshop of an online workshop.
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:It's on, um, the 21st, March 21st, 3 p.
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:And, um, so just very briefly, this,
the title, I, I think I'm going to
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:get it right is Nice Try Trolls.
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:Online events from Zoom bombers.
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:So I learned from personal experience
last month that if you are.
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:hosting online events thr Um, any, any
platform rea zoom as the video communi I
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:did a free event because me give back now.
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:I'm I'm You know, second guessing
if that's something I want to do.
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:However, I learned that it is apparently
a cool thing to do with some youths these
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:disrupt them, just cause chaos
for, for fun, for pranks.
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:And, um, it was kind of ironic that
this happened in my previous workshop
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:because that was focused on emotional
regulation for work and life.
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:So, they kind of proved my point
because although, yes, it was
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:disruptive, it was unexpected.
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:I personally feel very proud of how I
handled it because I was able to remain
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:And at the end, yeah, I was not pleased
that it happened, but I was really proud
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to take care of the real participants.
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:So being able to have that level
of confidence and calm amid
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:So anyway, now, because that happened,
I'm Trying to turn around for a
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:I am charging a very small fee.
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:Mainly to deter trolls, right?
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:Do they have to pay?
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:Are they going to join?
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:Probably not.
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:However, I will admit, I am baiting
a little bit with the title.
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:But that is definitely something
I would encourage if anyone is
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:Knowing how to have your settings
adjusted properly and things to look
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:for to better be able to identify if
this person who's trying to join is
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:supposed to be there or not, I think
it's going to be really helpful.
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:So I'm really, really excited
to share this with folks.
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:And there you go again going
through something hard and
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:That's why I love, that's
what I love about you.
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:So, um, that sounds like a great one and
I'm going to have to look and see if I
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:could actually do that because I do, you
know, now and again do things over Zoom.
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:So, um, I so appreciate that.
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:And the other thing that I didn't
get to talk about and we're over
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:time that I want to talk about next
time, I want to like kind of do.
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I also want to talk about Just like in
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call You had to you know, I might not
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stuff I want to talk to you about in
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:the moment how you handle that and so
let's save that for the next one Perfect.
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:Sounds great Sonia, thank
you so much for being here.
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:Thank you.
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:This is fun.
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:Take good care